In the first of our Indigenous Wisdom Conversations series, Julia is joined School Without Walls community member Jie Feng to talk about about Jie's experiences as a part of our Master Alma Class, how this program has supported her as she’s navigated life transitions and learned to develop quietness when life gets noisy, and what it means to her to walk in both worlds. She’ll also share what she loves most about being in the MAC Class, and who she thinks would benefit from joining this program.
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Julia Carmen (00:02):
Welcome to the Indigenous Wisdom Podcast with Julia Carmen, which happens to be I! Lately we've been sharing the Dragonfly wisdom messages here on the podcast, but from time to time, I'll be bringing you a longer conversation with someone from our School Without Walls community. Today I'm talking story with Jie about her experiences as a part of our master class, how this program has supported her as she navigates life's transitions, the way it supports her as she's learned how to develop quietness when life gets noisy, and what it means to her to walk in both worlds at the same time, the physical and the not physical. She'll also share what she loves most about being in the MAC class and who she thinks would benefit from joining this program. I'm so happy to welcome her to the show today, and I hope you'll enjoy our conversation too. I really would just like to totally get into this interview because Jie has a beautiful, amazing story, and also we have an, I'm going to use amazing again over and over again. So tough chichis going to be you, because that word is so real in how Jie and I met and how she has been a part of the Master Alma class. So we call it the MAC class. So here we go. Why don't we go into how we met? I always love hearing that story.
Jie Feng (02:08):
Yeah, sure. I'm Jie actually, I'm a mother of two, actually, of two little girls, and I met Julia for four children, by the way. I've been in her MAC classes for a very, very long time. I'm a C P A, and so I do finance and accounting, but I've been a student of Julia's for a very long time. I met her in my twenties when I was an auditor and one of the big four accounting firms, and I was just looking for direction in life because I was working a ton. I didn't feel satisfied. It just felt like there has to be more to life than just work, work, work. And it wasn't just about looking for my next trip somewhere. I was looking for meaning in life, the deeper meaning, what's the point of us all being here living this life? And so I went into, I read a lot of Hay House books at the time, that came my way in my mid twenties. And then one day I was on an airplane to Phoenix, Arizona to meet a friend for a road trip, and Julia was sitting right next to me. And so that's how we met. So she was on standby. I was on standby. We just happened to be sitting right next to each other. And I think that I've been in your MAC class ever since then.
Julia Carmen (03:46):
Yeah,
Jie Feng (03:48):
Yeah.
Julia Carmen (03:49):
But Jie, when I hear people say, because say, I've been with Julia a long time, and it sounds like, well, why have you been with her so long? I mean, come on. I'm actually putting you on the spot, Jie, I don't think I've asked you this question. And that is why so long? I mean, people listening, why am I hanging out with her for so long? I didn't, for myself as a Curandera. Yeah, modern, I guess what you would call, I was like, huh. It was kind of a, what do you call it, a I just noticed you folks hanging. I would say, okay. And then just say, yeah, I'm signing up for another year. And I go, oh, or I'm signing up for another six months, or I'm going on this retreat. I go, oh, okay. It was a surprise for me also. So it wasn't like I made you stay.
Jie Feng (04:54):
No. Yeah. No. Well, it's because I love the SWOW, at school with out walls, the community that you created. I just that your teachings resonate with me at a very deep level. I feel like that over the years, there's a trust there that I know that when I go to you and I need some clarity on a decision that I need to make, whether it's, I don't know, health related family related to my kids or related to my job, the job transition, which I have done consultation with you on before as well, through the multiple job changes over my lifetime. I don't want to say a lifetime, because we had multiple job changes while I was in the MAC class, as well as my investments. Getting that support has been so meaningful to me. I love it. I guess I love the messages from my own so self and also confirming some insights that I have with the peeps are my angels and guides. I've learned over the years that I don't like to make investments without talking to them first, because it's like, it's a partnership that I've developed over the years. I really enjoy and appreciate and hold dear to my heart. And also, my life kind of evolved, right? My need
(06:45)
Is different back then without children. It was like, oh, life purpose, what comes after auditing? And so that changed to the next job. And then the kids came and I got thrown into motherhood, and it has been, motherhood was challenging for me. So both times, so I guess I always tell you like, oh my gosh, I'm so glad you and the swell community were there to support me through all my life transitions that I consider to be really challenging as a human sometimes. So I really, that's why I'm still in the MAC class, because I love the teachings, the wisdom that you share, the guidance from the peeps and my so self and the like-minded community that I'm surrounded with.
Julia Carmen (07:46):
Jie, you taught me something. And that is, I've shared this with you folks before. Those of you that are in the master on class, the MAC class at SWOW. And that is student, student once, teacher, student twice. So I mean, that's a Chinese proverb that I heard many whew, long time ago in my twenties or thirties or whatever. And I always knew that by teaching, I'm going to learn something. And you have been a big, huge teaching, because I still remember those times where I thought, oh, she's going to, it's time for her to la You're bringing back memories. And then you shared with me, and I won't go into deep whatever, you shared something with me about how in your community, your own personal community, you didn't have a structured blah blah, like spiritual, blah, blah, right? And you said, you're my that and more.
(08:54)
This is what you shared with me. And you said, and more, I have everything here so I don't have to go and get 10 million different things out there and invest my time and resources. And I was still remember that day that you sent that note with me, and I was having lunch with a friend, and that cafe's actually closed down, and I started crying. I don't know if I ever shared that with you. She says, what's the matter? And I said, yeah, I know, right? I, I'm getting teary right now. And I showed her the note and the other thing, and I started crying and she says, oh my God. And I go, wow. She sees me, meaning I knew that, we say Curandera de la Alma, and it's something that's been handed down through all the women in my life. My mom was one, my grandmother, and so on. So in the past, people have said, have you gone to school for this? I said, no, you don't go to school for this.
(10:04)
In the olden days, way back when the kta or whomever, whatever label you want to put on the human realm, they were the central point, usually the soul, the spiritual person. And I don't want to label myself in that witch, but you saw that. And it helped me move more into that space of me and the work that my ancestors, the females have done through the years and re-look at it basically, because in the olden days, I won't get too much further into it, but a long time, my mother was afraid of all this. When she knew that I could see feel here, whatever, and work, it terrified her because in her time it was passed down. You can't be this because you will get persecuted. It wasn't the over culture come in and said, no, you cannot do those ceremonies. No, you cannot do this.
(11:04)
No, you cannot see this. No, you cannot be one with the all. Okay. So she shut it down. Everybody did. She had a little bit of something, not a little bit. She had a whole lot, but she would share in little bits and pieces. Now, she was a great massage therapist, and not by profession, but people would come to get massages because she knew how to do that. She knew how to listen to the body. And so when she saw me, all she could think of was, it's the dark side, it's the shadow side. You're going to get hurt. And so she did everything in her power to shut it down. So I went, oh, no, maybe it's not safe. So I quieted it that down, G. And then I said, okay, it's time to start moving out and doing my work. How do I do this? Versus in the old days, the tailor would bring you fine garments or whatever to pay for their, it was more of an exchange that was the, I don't think you have any sheep, or
Jie Feng (12:17):
I can raise a few sheep in exchange for your services. Or do you accept chicken
Julia Carmen (12:26):
Or that big fat caterpillar that's in your yard right now that that's right. She has this big, huge caterpillar that's doing its thing. But I just want to thank you publicly that it goes both ways.
Jie Feng (12:41):
Oh,
Julia Carmen (12:42):
Thank you. So recognizing. And then from there, it helped me be more, the exchange we have now is money, right? Until that changes, this is the way it is. Yeah. Kind of deal. Yeah. I
Jie Feng (12:58):
Think that sounds great.
Julia Carmen (13:01):
Yeah. I hope I made some sense there. I just kind of went off and Yeah.
Jie Feng (13:05):
No, no, you did. You did. Because I grew up, my family's, my mom and dad are Buddhist, and then I am just like, whatever. And my sister's Christian, and then my two other sister, I think they're more Buddhist. So I just kind of felt like either camp don't really fit me because I'm like, I'm a little bit of everything in life, and I don't like to be married to any particular religion. I don't, I don't know how to say it. It's a bit too restricting to me when someone tells me, you can believe in this, and then not that. So for me, that's why swell, it kind of provided what I needed because I needed the spiritual inspirations without the rigidness of the rules. And I know your teachings about love, about taking care of self and connecting with our so self and being still developing that quietness over time, which is very hard actually. The older I get, the hard it is because there's life gets noisy and people in our life get noisy, and it kind of interrupts us. So it makes it really difficult to be still and hear in a guidance
(14:35)
And get the insights from the peeps. So what I learned through you is all the time, I'm getting a little bit better at it, a little bit at a time, is recognizing those insights, those messages from my people, my and guides, and learning to trust that that's the one single most important thing that I have learned. And just because it helps me be still when life gets chaotic and really see what's important in front of me, rather than being part of the tornado and being part of the chaos and screaming and running around. And a lot of people might think I know. So sua, what you're teaching is also about walking in both worlds at the same time, right? Yes. Getting all the messages and the insights from our nonphysical angels and guys and our so self, and then bringing that into the real, not real into the physical life, and applying that in our physical life to help. For me, it helps me with my business. It helps me with my job and raising my family. Three important things, and also supporting my folks, my parents and I have a big family. And so where was I going with that? Okay. Oh, the insights from the non-physical piece. Some people might hear what,
Julia Carmen (16:17):
Yeah, right?
Jie Feng (16:19):
Both worlds. That sounds so spooky. And so which craft like, right?
Julia Carmen (16:26):
Yeah, Ken,
Jie Feng (16:28):
But it's not like that. I'm like, I don't want to see ghosts.
Julia Carmen (16:32):
I know, I remember that. Remember that Jie, early in on the game, G ghosts. Because when we say peeps, right, G, we're talking about, I use that as a generic way of saying the nonphysical peep. So you could nonphysical. So it could be like you said, your guides, your angels, whatever it is that comes up for you that you have guides in the nonphysical realm. So gee, remember that time you said, Hey, Julia, I remember, because that's where I used to live in that cottage, and back here in Pacifica, I lived in this little cute little cottage, and I still remember that day. I don't know if we were there, whatever. And you said, I want to listen to my peeps. I want to see them. And so I said, oh, easy peasy for me. Kind of. I came in that way. I don't know what it feels like not to have my guy's angels and so on. I just was born that way. So I said, okay, I'll teach you how to do it. And what happened? You shared. Go ahead.
Jie Feng (17:36):
I got freaked out, I think. I guess part of me is I don't like to be open to seeing and then see things at night that would completely freak me out. And so I decided, no, I don't want to see anymore because it would just freak me out. So my way of seeing is very different from Julia's way of seeing. I get more insights through it as a form of knowing a thought comes and sometimes could be a hawk that comes when I'm dealing with something. And that can be, hawks are one of my physical messages. I know a lot of dragonflies come visit. That's also, I love seeing them. I know, because sometimes they could be an answer to something. I'm pondering about little random things, but I think I kind of prefer to get insights instead of seeing.
Julia Carmen (18:43):
Yeah.
Jie Feng (18:44):
But G,
Julia Carmen (18:45):
That's the thing. A lot of people think that, I mean, yes, you're right. People see different in different ways when we say, see, yeah, but you saw in the physical realm, and that's what you said you wanted to do, and you wanted to see the nonphysical and the physical realm. And I said, okay, cool. Let's do this. Everybody has the capability of seeing the all. It's up to each individual how they want to. And it was interesting because your peeps and my peeps said, she ain't going to like this. And I said, but she wants this. So they didn't mean to scare you. Not at all. I checked it out. I always check things out when people all ask questions. Is this what you really want? How would you like to do that? And then I teach it, right? And you did it. You followed the little directions and there weren't that big, huge drawn out mine's simple, easy, and there you are. So they're going, I don't think she's going to like this, your peeps. And I go, let's let her, don't scare her. I told them, don't mess with her. And they go, no, we're not. We're just going to. And then when you said no, and I said, okay, guys, close that door. She don't want that. Show her how you can talk story with her. And you just did. You just shared what you were comfortable with. Yeah.
Jie Feng (20:02):
Yeah.
Julia Carmen (20:03):
Because some people want to, they say, I want to dah, dah, dah. And I'll go,
(20:08)
Yeah. I've had people ask me, do you work the shadow side? I said, I don't intentionally go. Let's work the shadow side. It'll show up when it shows up. And I make sure that we are, well, I don't like to use the word protection. We use the word insurance. So we all have insurance on the physical realm. We hope we never need to use it, but if we need it, it's there. So we set up a, I'll use the word net, n e t as an insurance, a bunch of writers on there to make sure and all that's done, the non-physical realm of being so that it can be done in that way. And when you said thought, I just want to share with you, and this it's divine thought, not the human thought, right? I mean, you already understand this. So we have these human thoughts, whatever. And what G's talking about is the divine thought that comes in, and there's that knowing, right? G?
Jie Feng (21:15):
Yes. Like an insight that comes. I know that is not part of the busy mind. Yeah. The other day I was at work in the bathroom and I was washing my hands, and I was only one in there, and then two sinks down, the waters turned on its own. I was like, is there someone else in here with me? I got all freaked out, I swear.
Julia Carmen (21:53):
So I don't want to Horribly into the mic.
Jie Feng (21:59):
Yes. I thought about, I was like, oh my gosh, I better not see someone else here in the non-physical form. So I quickly finished washing my hands and rushed out. But yeah, I think it's better that I just leave that door closed.
Julia Carmen (22:17):
Yeah, they do that. Our peeps do that often. Yeah. And then
Jie Feng (22:27):
I thought it was them messing with me. That could have been it too. Or I was like, there's someone else in the office space I wasn't aware of, which I hear. I guess some people just say, oh yeah, I, we'll see a forum, whatever, walk by.
Julia Carmen (22:43):
See, that's what happens sometimes when we start talking like that, the computers will do what they need to do. Somebody was sharing with me. Oh yeah, that happens to me all the time. Well, okay, I'm 70, just turned 70 this year, right? Yeah. In my younger days, I didn't understand, which is actually pretty cool thing to know. I didn't understand that. I mean, I did, but I didn't. I would walk into the room and the computers wouldn't work or the phones would go out. I mean, we're talking landline phones or whatever. When I ran that nonprofit there for a little bit, sometimes my daughter would be doing some paperwork, like real earth human paperwork. We had a nonprofit where we worked with the court system and stuff like that, and the computers would start working. She go, can you leave? You're messing with the computers?
(23:40)
And I go, oh, I don't mean to. So I mean, that's how powerful we are as humans. And so I thought, oh, cca, how do I do this? So I kind of sat like you did with I, and I sat with my nonphysical beings and I said, Hey, I'm doing all this. And when I was going through a unpleasant breakup of 30 years, and I was in Hawaii, everybody's home that I went into, their electricity would go out. Now, if you live half off grid, electricity is very important. So those were things that were just happening because I was upset. So my peep shared with me how to quiet that down. You were talking about stillness and quiet. And they go, oh my goodness, I have to get more. Oh goodness. I'm going to really have to practice my walk. So that was my late forties.
(24:31)
And so I learned, and recently I've been a little stressed. I'm human, and I noticed that things are doing that again. So I'm needing to quiet myself down again, even more so because that's consciousness. Yeah. Jie, I'm talking about divine consciousness, not human consciousness, whether you're alive or not. No conscious dead kind of deal. So it's a forever thing. It's not like, yeah. So does it feel like, and I'm really putting you on the spot, mha, does it feel like you've been at swell forever? Or is it like an ebb and flow or filling it in?
Jie Feng (25:12):
It does not feel like, okay. When I was going through school, I did not. I didn't like school. The day I graduated. I was so happy from college, never again. I'm not going to write another college paper again. But it feels different. It's not like school. It's fun. I look forward to our MAC class because we talk about such interesting things, not just all about physical, I mean the peeps and the non-physical stuff. But I know you start teaching us about the fascia and how on our body, how that works and how it receives messages from the nonphysical. And so all that insight a whole lot more. And we also asked you about, okay, about the year that's coming up. What do you see coming up?
(26:10)
I know we just spent through a pandemic. It has been with so much fear going around and being part of the MAC class has been very helpful. It helps ground me through this chaotic time, and I'm learning to find things that help me navigate. I picked up gardening. I hate worms. I absolutely hate worms. And I picked up gardening, and I absolutely love it. Little things like that that I was able to tune into and find, and by learning to be still has been wonderful. It's a fun, I don't know, it's, I wouldn't say school. It's just a fun community to be part of and who I get to learn different things at different times, and we're not learning the same thing over and over, which is also amazing too.
Julia Carmen (27:18):
Yeah, that's so true. Right, Jie? Yep. I want to back up just a little bit because you were sharing about how you wanted to see, okay. And then all of us, your peeps, because it's a collaboration, it's a community physical and nonphysical. Right? And I won't mention her name because I don't have permission, but remember, were you there at that retreat? Yeah. You were where so-and-so, and Juliana's fine with me sharing. They had gone to the schoolhouse and things happened over there. Were you there at that?
Jie Feng (27:58):
I was not, but I heard the story. Okay,
Julia Carmen (28:04):
So Juliana is like you. That's my granddaughter and assistant. So her and so-and-so went to the schoolhouse to go get something, and it was dark and it was a full moon. Well, this person, she wanted to see she'd been, when one wants to see whatever that may be, one needs to be in the stillness. So I'm not saying she wasn't, but there was a particular way she wanted to see. And I said, it will happen. It will happen. And so here goes Juliana and her to the schoolhouse and the full moon, right over the schoolhouse. And all of a sudden things started happening.
(28:52)
I won't go into what happening, but Juliana freaked out, ran out of that schoolhouse, and this other person had the biggest smile on her face. She was whooping and hollering in a very positive way. That's it. I saw, oh my gosh. She was elated and happy. And all Juliana did was go, I don't want to know. I don't want to. The other person said, I'm content. And from that moment on, she's been able to tap into all of that, which she wanted to. So there's a difference there. Some people really want to go into it and some people don't. Yeah. And Julia still talks about that. She goes, no, no, I don't want to see that. Yeah,
Jie Feng (29:36):
No, she told me about that at one of the retreats. But yeah, I would have been in her shoes too, if I saw that.
Julia Carmen (29:47):
Oh,
Jie Feng (29:48):
Remember, I always wanted to see the fairies.
Julia Carmen (29:51):
Yes. My favorite.
Jie Feng (29:53):
The last Montana retreat, I was able to see outlines. So there's a fairy spot at the ranch that I always go visit every time I'm there,
Julia Carmen (30:05):
Dancing Spirit Ranch,
Jie Feng (30:06):
Dancing at the Dancing Spirit Ranch. And so this time, the last time I went, I could see outlines, but this kind of energy line in the air, and then it started snowing and it was so special, so, so special. Or I would go, this is the same spot. There's no wind, but the grass started moving, dancing the top of the grass. So I see it in that sense, and it's just really special. So I'm hopeful that one day I will still see the fairies, the full info form.
Julia Carmen (30:49):
Oh, you will.
Jie Feng (30:50):
But I said
Julia Carmen (30:52):
Peeps
Jie Feng (30:52):
Know that people please.
Julia Carmen (30:57):
I dunno. I dunno. See, that's what you just shared.
Jie Feng (31:00):
Now
Julia Carmen (31:01):
I'm kind of going off over here, which I do. I'm off and right. I said, I'm going to go over here. So there's a show that's actually this last season, it's called Reservation Dogs, and I love that show. It's on Hulu. Yeah, it's on Hulu. And I have five adult children, and my third son is married to a native woman from North Dakota. And I worked in Indian country for most of the teens, 20 something, almost 20 19, 20 18. So I worked on a lot of reservations all over, and I loved working with because yes, Mexicana. And then the word indigenous, I use it says indigenous soul. Indigenous soul, meaning that our souls are all indigenous, we're all one. And then when I'm with persons, people, humans of this land, of this ra, it's like going home. So we get to visit in ways. So there is no separation. I don't have to explain anything, we just be right. So on that show, reservation dogs, there's a spirit that shows up to a woman and the gal goes, oh my gosh, what are you? Are you a ghost? And the spirit goes, no, I'm a spirit ghost are stupid of humor.
(32:39)
I was like, that just cracked me up. Because there's a difference. I mean, I won't go into it, it's a semantics, but there's a difference. Ghosts are more different. They're not stupid. But the way in with the Hawaiians, even with the Latinos and Menzo and stupid are not in the vernacular for the over culture. Don't call anybody stupid because it's harsh. Right? But when you're around, and the word stupid means, oh, you dingdong, that doesn't sound right either. Or scolding. In Hawaii, they use the word scolding. And here it's like, oh. Or they use the word, oh, I'm shame. All those things are just, it's the tone you're saying it in. And in Spanish, it's the same thing. That's lookout or whatever. They're not a derogatory terms of endearment. And depending on how you say it. Now, I know a lot of my people say, oh, I beg to differ, but I've been times where people have set them in a not so nice way, but the majority of time it's just out of humor. And when I saw that scene, it made things light for the person that was seeing her, because everybody around her was going, she's talking to herself. Yes. Yeah. They were thinking, oh, she's lost it. And so when that scene came on, because I talk to my nonphysical peeps all the time, I don't know how not to, cell phones are the great thing. I put my headset on and I just talk away. If I'm talking to somebody, well, I am, but not on the phone. There's nobody there on the phone.
Jie Feng (34:29):
That's a great, great cover.
Julia Carmen (34:34):
A great cover in
Jie Feng (34:35):
The grocery store especially. Yeah.
Julia Carmen (34:38):
Yeah. No, I just plug myself in and just talk away and say things and move my hands, and people just don't pay attention. But before, it did look strange because it looks like you're not talking to somebody. But I went on a little rampage there. But anyway, so no, you don't want to see spirits and ghost are, again, that's a different frequency and vibration. And what you saw was spirit. Got
Jie Feng (35:07):
It.
Julia Carmen (35:07):
A spirit. Yeah. Yeah.
Jie Feng (35:10):
I don't dunno if that makes sense. No, that makes sense. That comforting. You just differentiated it for me, but I'm staying within a certain vibration. Then I won't see ghosts. I will just see spirits.
Julia Carmen (35:21):
No, you don't want to see that. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Well, my granddaughter, Malia, when she was little, no, she's in her twenties now, but she's a little girl. She saw everything. And then one day she saw a movie, which I didn't really, she saw this movie and it had to do with Ghost. And then somebody asked her, is that how you see? She goes, no, I don't see that. Those are dead people. I don't want to see them. I see spirits. I see. That would scare me. Love. I know. That's when I started investigating. I said, Hey, you guys, because I see everything and I say, Hey, you guys, what's up? And they go, no, no, no, no. And they explained it a little bit further. I mean, I won't go into it now because we don't have the time, but I thought, oh, that's pretty cool. Yeah, I didn't understand. But it's a frequency and vibration. It's a difference. Yeah. And that's what you were talking about, G learning that learning, understanding that which is already within us. Yeah. There's nothing to go get. And I think that's what teaching is about in schools. It's gathering information and sticking more information in the human realm.
Jie Feng (36:36):
Got it. Right. Yeah.
Julia Carmen (36:39):
And what we're talking about in the MAC class is a remembrance, which you already understand and know, just bringing it to the forefront.
Jie Feng (36:48):
Got it. So a lot of it is going within and relearning what we already know and perhaps have forgotten over the eons.
Julia Carmen (37:04):
Well see. Then the thing about community, I know that we used to talk about SW being a tribe, which it is then it's a community. A tribe is a community, A clan is a community, A village is a community. And it's witnessing each other, supporting each other's and say, yeah, you're going down the right track. Oh, way cool. Oh, you're going to do that. Oh my goodness,
Jie Feng (37:30):
That's
Julia Carmen (37:31):
So brave of you.
Jie Feng (37:32):
Yes. No, it is. I remember that I wanted the retreat. Our friend one, actually one of our dear friends, she witnessed her own healing. Remember that she saw something leave her body, and I know she was concerned about it. She was going to have to do a scan, and she saw take off with wings. And I said, wow, you just witnessed your own healing. And she confirmed it after the retreat with a CT scan in the doctor's office. And it was amazing when she shared that news with us. That's true. I agree. Just to be able to witness other people's miracles and being able to share. It's amazing to witness, I don't have words to describe it other than amazing. Every single time.
Julia Carmen (38:36):
Yeah, that word
Jie Feng (38:39):
I say, we could be using that word a lot.
Julia Carmen (38:41):
It's amazing. Yeah. Jie, no, really. That is so true. That's the challenging part of how we started off this talk story is that how do you describe something? How do you share something with someone about the MAC class or coming to the school without walls even? I have a difficult time. I've hired so many coaches through the years, okay, this is what I do. How do I do this? How do I present this out to the world? And it's been a challenge for me. And we're not like hundreds of people. I think I only hang out with maybe 10 people. It sounds kind of crazy. A year you have my undivided, right? Gee, you have my undivided attention. I don't do any more my readings unless it's someone I know or it's a referral. It takes a lot of energy and frequency on my part. I go in there fully with the person. The same thing with the MAC classes. It's three people. That's it. The retreats are a maximum of 10, not hundreds. So how do you share that with people? This is this, this is that. How do you bring it into the physical realm? That's been my challenge. And you know that
(40:18)
You understand that I've been struggling with that for years because it's about my thing's about that one person, which I call the point person. So like you talked at the beginning of the podcast, mha, you talked about, okay, I came in, I sat across from Julia, and I was searching for something and I didn't know. I didn't know who I was going to sit. We were going standby. So it's a random quote. Random. You were looking for something to be in this world fully. Yeah. There was no 10 steps.
Jie Feng (41:04):
Darn. There you go.
Julia Carmen (41:07):
There are no quick fixes. And it's not about quick fixes either. Yeah. So thank you for sharing that. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, I was single and then I was remembering that I was married, you folks. I was the officiator Your wedding. I'd forgotten about that. That's right. Yeah. Here in San Francisco. But at the Cliff
Jie Feng (41:28):
House,
Julia Carmen (41:29):
They actually opened it up again. Yes. So I was like, oh my goodness. Yeah. I just find it so amazing, this journey, walking both worlds at the same time, fully awake.
Jie Feng (41:47):
Yes. No, I agree. I understand the challenge of telling people what the school that wall is about, but also the MAC class, because it's not something that, like you said, it's not a 10 or 12 step program where you can just slap it on a piece of paper. Here it is. Here are the steps that I'm teaching. But because it,
Julia Carmen (42:09):
It's so
Jie Feng (42:09):
Different for everybody. We all have a different path to walk in this lifetime, and everyone who comes to you, it's like individualized attention and teaching. So we go to class and then we all get a piece of what applies to us individually. So my other friend in MAC class, and she's an amazing coach, and she's going to start her own, actually. She started her own practice and she's going to bring it to a bigger level. So she's very different from what I do. I'm a C P A.
Julia Carmen (42:50):
You're a beautiful, wonderful executive. C p A
Jie Feng (42:53):
Actually. Thank you. Thank
Julia Carmen (42:54):
You. You're short changing yourself there because that's the truth. Thank you.
Jie Feng (42:58):
But, but we all sit in the same class and we all get different things out of it that are pertaining just to us. So I love the small size of your classrooms and the retreats that you have. I guess I would say MAC classes. It's for people from all walks of life, writers who want some encouragement or insights from their so self and their peeps, and they want to access that or learn how to access that themselves. I see that they could benefit from the MAC class or someone who really have their own business and they want to bring it to the next level. They would benefit from the MAC class too, right? Because they can come in and learn to tune into their so self messages of their peeps. That individualized message is just for them and their business. I can see how that would be so beneficial. I've been doing it for my jobs and my side investments on the side. So what else?
Julia Carmen (44:17):
I know.
Jie Feng (44:19):
I know. My husband's business really? Oh yeah.
Julia Carmen (44:25):
Let's talk about that. Man. That's another podcast. I'm just messing with you. I thought if your husband, I won't say his name. If your husband listened in on this, I would just want to share with him. I'm just messing with you and poking at you. That's nothing more than
Jie Feng (44:48):
That. Because Julia knows him well. Yes.
Julia Carmen (44:54):
And he's amazing.
Jie Feng (44:55):
Yes. Yes. And then also, I want to say also from my other side as a mother, as a parent and just been a parent for a decade now, and for me, I, additional support and guidance that I've received from my girls has been tremendous because I have two little angels who came into my life and it hasn't been easy, but they are amazing. And I want to say the peeps insights are always right on, especially for my older daughter who is now tiny. And so, yeah, she had some health challenges in the beginnings that I really needed support on. And I guess the individualized, the insights from the peeps to support her through those health challenges have been so
Julia Carmen (45:56):
Helpful.
Jie Feng (45:57):
I keep telling Julia, I would not have made it without the support
Julia Carmen (46:04):
Of her thank you.
Jie Feng (46:05):
Of her and the swell community.
Julia Carmen (46:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The girls, I'm so glad you mentioned that. Just I'm going to throw this out. All the children that are being born now, I'd say at least the last decade, if not more, are Pure Angels. They've not been here before, and it is a challenge for them in this life form to kind of go into this dense frequency of being. Yeah. And F Y I G, I think we talked about it yesterday at the MAC, not yesterday, the day before yesterday at the Met class. Hopefully Caroline and her son will be our next podcast, and he was in the Wizard class in the seeable, we call 'em the Seeable class ,during the pandemic actually. And they're going to come on and talk about their experience. Carolyn's going to talk about her experience with the MAC and SUA and her son, I won't say his name, until he gets on there and he's going to talk about his experience hanging out with myself and Juliana during that challenging time and working through his own being of an angel, being here and working and walking, literally walking this path as a human, because it's not easy for them.
(47:30)
They see everything. It's all one. And then us humans have to guide them into this world. That is quite interesting.
(47:44)
I don't want to go off on another tangent. That's what I love about, that's what I love about Caroline. You folks will know that, Caroline, every time I go off on my little, she'll go, Julia, what are we going to talk about? I go, oh, okay. Totally love her. Yeah. Those of you that are listening know this. I have an understanding about who I be and this mija, I do my best, not intentionally, but just who I be. The simplicity of being not in charge, but entrusted into something like this. The School Without Walls, that is only about unconditional love of self. I do my best to make it as simple and easy as one can and approachable. I try to be as approachable as I can. Sometimes. In the past, people have looked at that as not being strength, but what I'm inviting people to see is their own strength, their own alma, their own soul self of being and how strong and beautiful they are. And if we dive deep and we have Jie at retreats and this and that, I know how to hold that space in ways that, yeah. And I share with the ladies that this time around, they picked me to be the point person, probably in another realm of being, Jie, you were leading us. And I take it very seriously in a most humbling way that you folks picked me to lead. And I don't take that lightly, even though we make it fun and we laugh and we have such a great time, Jie. Yeah,
Jie Feng (49:47):
We do.
Julia Carmen (49:48):
So that illusion that maybe things may look simplistic or we may make it look simplistic is not. It is, but it's not, especially when you're diving deep is what I call diving deep. And if you don't want to dive deep, check out Chichi Soul Time. That's the other little, yeah, Chichi soul. You were in there for a little bit.
Jie Feng (50:14):
I was in there for a couple months and I loved it. I find it really helpful in the busy life because I was like, I don't have time to take care of me because it's a job, just a family. And then everything else that comes with it, school meeting and all of that. So I think setting aside an hour to really like, okay, and then you guiding us and going, okay, what are we going to do this month just to take care of us? Me was so wonderful. Actually, I would do those exercises that you gave us. I would bring them to the gym and do my self-care exercises while I was working out. It was fantastic,
Julia Carmen (51:00):
Wasn't it? Yeah. I just kind of threw that in there because I thought I don't, deep is deep and floating is floating, and we need all of those. So we're going to close this up here. Jie, thank you so much for being on this podcast. Everyone, thank you for joining us on this first one. If you're going to rate it, be kind. This is our first, and remember, any of your first are not always smooth, but they are memorable
Jie Feng (51:33):
And fun.
Julia Carmen (51:34):
Thank you. And
Jie Feng (51:34):
Fun.
Julia Carmen (51:35):
And fun. Yes. Okay. Thank you so much.
(51:40)
I hope you enjoyed our conversation with Jie today, and that our conversation helped you understand a little bit more about what we do here at the School Without Walls. Our show notes page over on our website at theschoolwithoutwalls.net includes links to the programs and topics mentioned in our conversation today. If you would like to learn more about our Master Alma Class, the Chichi Soul Time Program, and our upcoming retreats, like our Return to Dancing Spirit Ranch in May of 2024, you'll also find all that information on our website, theschoolwithoutwalls.net. While you're there, sign up for our newsletter and receive my free gift, your guide to 10 questions to Ask your soul self. I can't wait to connect with you. For reals, be great and thanks for listening today. Amen.