In today's Indigenous Wisdom Conversation, Julia welcomes Birgitta Visser, a soul empowerment coach, author, and light language healer. They talk about discovering their power, living in the now, diving deeply, overcoming the trauma of being human, navigating relationships, boundaries and disagreements, and so much more.
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Julia Carmen (00:03):
Hola beautiful beings. Welcome to a new episode of the Indigenous Wisdom Podcast. I absolutely love today's conversation, and if you're looking for a little bit of encouragement to hold onto your passion and hard times, I think you will too. Today I'm talking story with Birgitta, a soul empowerment coach, author, and light language healer. You'll hear all about that today. We talked about discovering our power, living in the now, diving deeply, overcoming the trauma of being human, navigating relationships, boundaries and disagreements. And we shared some of our favorite sources of energy and inspiration. I could have talked to Birgitta for hours, and I think you'll be as inspired by our conversation as I was. I'm so excited. I really am. I don't know this person actually at all, but I do know her from the nonphysical realm of being or else she wouldn't be here. So I'm going to bring on this beautiful light being and her name, and I'm going to let her share with you her full name if she chooses to use the full name, because my tongue is not going to do it. So why don't you go ahead and come on in. Mija.
Birgitta Visser (01:45):
Julio, thank you so much for having me. Yes, it's Brita Ser.
Julia Carmen (01:49):
Okay. I
Birgitta Visser (01:50):
Know it's a tongue twister, isn't it? That's why a lot of people call me Briggs or either Briggs or B.
Julia Carmen (01:57):
Okay, well, what do you prefer?
Birgitta Visser (02:00):
If you want to call me B, that's fine, if that helps you.
Julia Carmen (02:03):
Okay. Or I call you Miha. Is that okay?
Birgitta Visser (02:06):
Yeah, you can call me Miha as well.
Julia Carmen (02:09):
Okay. Okay. Well introduce yourself. Let know. I want to get to know who you be. I read all your goodies, but I really want to know who you be. Take as much time or as little time as you want. Go for it.
Birgitta Visser (02:21):
So as I said, well, I'm viser, and what do I do? Well, I've got my fingers in all kinds of pies, but I am a divine channel, a soul empowerment coach, and a light language healer. And that's it in a nutshell. But then I have my other foot in the earthly world. I'm in the corporate world where I still work in oil and gas for now until I transition completely out of that and do what I love. So that's it in a nutshell.
Julia Carmen (02:56):
Oh, what a light language healer is.
Birgitta Visser (03:04):
It's in short, it's a language that speaks to your soul. It's the cosmic language of love. And when any light language healer that speaks these codes, your mind doesn't comprehend it because it's like durable language. It's like minion language, and that's okay, but it's merely being open and receptive to receiving these healing codes because your soul understands these codes just beautifully. And it's such a phenomenal modality of healing. It's so powerful. And I mean, I've had it done to me and I was just blown away. The first time I had, it was several years ago, and I had issues with my left knee, and boom, the next day that pain was gone. Oh, beautiful. Yeah. Beautiful. Very different to spiritual healing or reiki. This works on a very deep level.
Julia Carmen (04:19):
The other thing that I noticed on there, and maybe this goes hand in hand, I got a kick out of this galactic surfer. So in that it's like, okay, polite language healer. I'm a galactic kite surfer. Yes. Oh, right. And those two just kind of went ding. Okay. I want to ask her about how those two talk story with each other.
Birgitta Visser (04:49):
Yeah. A galactic kite server. I'm a courier, I'm Dutch, I'm a bit of a dutch mutt, and I always say I'm a courier. I convey messages from the many, oh, galactic beings. You send masses. The archangels of everyone that has a message to convey to humanity. And that's why I write the waves, the cosmic waves. I'm like a surfer. That's why I say I'm a galactic kite server. Surfer or server or both? Surfer like riding the waves. Yes.
Julia Carmen (05:27):
Oh, I thought you said server. I thought, did I read it wrong? No, no, no. It's my English. Oh, no, no, it right on. Yeah, my first language was Spanish, so yeah, so I've learned the, I think I'm going to go off. I do this here and there. mha. I learned the first time I noticed that I was thinking in English, I was in my thirties. Yeah. I kind of went, oh, I'm not translating anymore. So Spanish, English, I get things mixed up all the time. That's alright. I could still roll my Rs pretty good. But
(06:11)
Yeah, so I kind of like, yeah. So it's all good. So now I go from English to Spanish now, but as I'm getting older, miha noticing that my Spanish is picking up a little bit more, which is probably that old human. We remember the past, we were talking about that in the pre-interview, how our brain likes to hang out in that past and likes to freak us out about the future. Right. Yeah. I do not like that. Yeah. And I like what you said was is that we were talking about how it's such a habit of humans to do that as humans here on this Planet.
Julia Carmen (07:00):
If you're here, you're a human, you have a body, and the brain, as you well know, as you just said, I call it the scientist, it definitely is not going to understand anything else unless we put it there in the human realm. So the nonphysical realm of being out there is totally, it's not good or bad, it just is. And it moves in such amazing ways of being. And unless you not, if the habits are really strong, the brain will say, Nope, not true. Nope, nope. Fantasy. I'll just keep pushing things out. And I say, okay, I can't do anything about that. So having folks like yourself around in that gentle way of, because I get the feeling you're a gentle healer,
(07:53)
Light language healer. You don't push people. You have good boundaries. I picked up that right away, and I think that's a great thing that you're not telling somebody something that they already don't know what I share with my students, this is what I share with my students. I'm not teaching them anything, even though we use that word or I'm not healing anything, even though we do use that word for the over culture, that's a vernacular word that's being used, but in all reality, it's a remembrance. Yeah. A remembrance of the great I am. That's what I share with my folks that come to me. So what I liked about work you are doing is that that sounds very similar because it's not just one person's stick. It's not, not stick, but it's not just one person's thing. It's all of the great I am and working from that space, from the sole self of being, and then you move from that space. It's not about rearranging thought in the brain. They could take centuries. I would want to go there. Right.
Birgitta Visser (09:04):
Do you know what I call the mind judge, jury and executioner? Right. Okay. It does, right? Yes. The ego kind of sticking. I always say it's the ego sitting in the front seat of the car with the mind, and they're colluding, and where's the soul footing? It's been clap trapped in the trunk, and it's saying, I want to get out. I want to get out.
Julia Carmen (09:32):
No, it's true. Yeah, no, I like that. Yeah. When the ego shows up, because it's going to be there as long as you're human, right? Absolutely. Yeah. I heard this from one of my gals. She says, I see you. I see you. And as soon as that awareness pops up, right, I'm sure you have an understanding of it. As soon as that awareness of that, which is that part of us that is in the habit of being in the future in the past, as soon as it's like Oz pulling the drape back, the curtain back, I see you. Oh, yeah. Okay. I'll go over here and sit down. Okay. Do your work. B, do your work. Now I can get in there with the so self of being and awaken that part of those folks and heal. Yeah,
Birgitta Visser (10:20):
Absolutely. And when we talk about the past and the future, absolutely. People always live in the past or the future, but you can't really live there. You can't breathe in the past. You can't breathe in the future, but you can breathe in the present moment, and it's all about being present and grounded within your body and harnessing that spiritual energy to weave that into your favor. And we don't realize how powerful we are. I always call that the power of the I am. But when we stand in our power grounded and we live in the present moment in the now, because that is where we can create, can't create in the future. We can't create in the past.
Julia Carmen (11:07):
Yeah. I love what you said for reals. The truth is the truth cannot breathe in the future and cannot breathe in the past. Can only breathe in the now. I'm sure when you work with folks, right? You could see they're not breathing.
Birgitta Visser (11:26):
Oh, yes. The power of the breath. Oh, that's cool. Do you know what? I work a lot with Lord nda, who is Jesus Christ in a former lifetime? Great. Yes.
Julia Carmen (11:36):
It wasn't JC is one of my guys.
Birgitta Visser (11:38):
Yeah. Oh, very cool. You call him jc. I do that too, but
Julia Carmen (11:44):
I know I called JC because he's been with me, so cool. No wonder we're talking story. He's been with me since. I never even really thought anything of it. I used to ask my mom, she goes, Ken, and I go, okay, whatever. Well, it was jc, well, my name is, I have a different last name, but I used first and middle, Julia Carmen. Right? One of my mentors, James Latino. He was amazing mentor in the human realm. I worked with him for quite a few years, and for about a year or two, I would call him and he'd go, Hey, jc. He would always say that. And I was just thinking he was talking about me, and then I'd go, then one day I went, well, shit, I said to you, he goes, you just got it, huh? And I go, yeah, I just got it. I'm a little slow. That was over 20 years ago, but I still remember that. Oh, that is funny. I know, right? Yeah. No, no. So true. jc, he's the bomb. He's really a lot of fun. And my relationship with him is more like a brother sister kind of deal That
Julia Carmen (13:04):
Sounds sack religious to other folks. But I don't care. I said, Hey, hey bro, what's up? What are we going to do today? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So go ahead and go where you were going to go. This is great. I feel like I owe home week right now in this moment.
Birgitta Visser (13:20):
So he talks a lot. I mean, he talks a lot about shallow breathing and people breathe so superficially. He's like, people breathe shallow because they live in the shallow waters of themselves rather than deep diving into the depths of who they truly are. And the only way we are going to start breathing deeply and relinquishing everything, all that we hold that doesn't serve us is by learning the art of breath and really breathing deep. And that takes some time. I mean, I went to the Art of living in India, which is by the way, my second solo book, which comes out later this year. It goes to the editor next week. But yeah, and it's all, the power of breath is so important because once we understand that, we start to live more in awareness of who we are, but also we become more aware of our surroundings and of what we create. And it's just we've deviated so far by living in this paradigm, this created paradigm, which is done by design as it is anyway,
(14:41)
For people that are just starting out with meditation or they think, no, man, I don't have time for this. What is this juju? I say to you, listen to guided meditations by Davidji. And they're like 20 minutes. Yeah. You listen to them in the morning. I don't care what you listen to, whether you want to put an intention out into the universe or you want to get rid of fear, anxiety, any other worries, he's got it all. And whatever takes your fancy, just listen to it. Follow the breathing exercises and the mantra, and you'll start the day of, right. And it's the same when you go to bed, and I dare you to try it for 10 days and see what happens, right? Yes. What have you got to lose? Absolutely nothing. And I love this quote by, I use it a lot, Alhambra me, which means I am the universe in Suncrest. I love that so much so, so powerful when you just repeat that because you are the universe as much as the universe is you, and we need to learn to dance with the universe. Yeah. See the universe as our dance partner rather than kicking it in the shins continuously. Because when we do that, it's like, oh my God, why is this not working for me? Will are you in the flow of the universe? No, because you kicking your dance pot partner until it blue in the face.
Julia Carmen (16:14):
Exactly. Can you give the folks, I understand what you are sharing right now, but can you give the folks out there listening in what that means? I understand dancing with the universal source of the all.
(16:31)
Julia Carmen (16:31):
And kicking and go, no, get away from me, but I want things to happen. Yes. Okay. So give us an example
Birgitta Visser (16:45):
Like we do, how would do I put this? So if we want something,
(16:54)
It's like planting a seedling. It takes time for anything to grow. You need to nurture your dreams. And you can't have it tomorrow unless it's like, Hey, excuse me, angels. I want a parking space. That's different. But if have no, that is different. Yes. But if you have your dreams and aspirations, you want to achieve something, then what are these seedlings with love and care and compassion and wait for it to blossom? And never put expectations on something. If you put an expectation on something, you kept it. You kept the flow. And what I mean is you kept the flow. You kept the flow of the universe. If you want something, put it out there, do the work and let it go, and just keep working on it due diligently. But don't just keep holding onto it because that's not going to work.
Julia Carmen (17:55):
You don what? Miha that. Thank you for that. Because that is what I think the biggest challenge for humans on this planet, in this solar system is that here in the us, I don't know about in your neck of the woods, but here in the US it's like fast, quick, 10 steps, six steps, eight steps. I think it's fine. Five steps, six steps. But they're like, okay, by the time you're done with this, then you'll be perfect. I'm giving you a really fast, because that's how it is. We are at Silicon Valley here. We have a lot, I live in the Bay Area. It's all about, everything's on steroids. It really is. And It's
Julia Carmen (18:44):
Like, and I go, oh God, no, I've never been involved with that. But I have a program called Chichi Soul Time, which just means that nurturing and these are beautiful women like yourself. They're there, they're, they're accomplish persons.
(19:06)
And then I think I like two or three months into it, one of the gals said, oh, I didn't get my homework done. I get this done. And I said, oh, kaka, that was not my intention. And so I did a little bit more talking story with them asking them questions. Their human brain, even though we set it up differently, their human brain went into, I have one more thing to do for my chichi soul time, and this is what I got to do and this is how I got to do it. And I went, oh, no. So I rolled it back a little bit because their mind just went there. And you know what? Every single one of them said, oh my gosh, I didn't know I was doing that.
(19:44)
And I went, yeah, let's do it this way. And it was a six month thing, and the last three months went a whole lot more smoother. And I just talked story with a couple of them. What's today? Thursday? Yesterday? And one of them said, oh my gosh, that is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she goes, why do we get stuck there? And then exactly what you're talking about, that whole habit of being in that do on steroids, and it's so embedded in the habit, and that's what we're talking about the past and the future. And then everybody's holding their breath.
(20:27)
So anytime I'm stressed out, the first thing I go to, I have busy mind thinking is what I call a judging. I'm ready to do, I don't know what, and I hear my nonphysical folks go, JC will go, Hey, breathe. I go, huh? Breathe. Oh, yeah, breathe. That's why when you said that, I said, alright. I mean, I know he's not just saying it to me to I, and I'm going, okay, okay, mijo, I'm going to breathe. Okay. And then I breathe and whatever it is that's been, it could be a physical pain or it could be blah, blah, blah. It goes absolutely within. It goes away. I go, oh, okay. Match it.
Birgitta Visser (21:09):
Yeah. Why do you think so many people suffer from dis disease?
(21:16)
I mean, last year and I fell back into, we all do, we sometimes fall back into our old programming. And last year was really crazy for me because I worked like 70 hours a week and I worked an extra five months out on top of the 12. And it was just because I had so much responsibility. I had too roles within the company and it was too much. And I suffered shortness of breath. My rosacea had a field day on my face. It was just horrific. But I kept going. I kept going. And it was just do, do, do, do. And I had no time for my spiritual work. And when I thought to myself, what am I doing? What am I doing? Why am I doing this? If you get, God forbid, hit by a bus tomorrow, you'll be replaced at your work within the space of two, three weeks.
(22:14)
That's just the way. So why do we do this to ourselves? Why do we not follow our passions or the things that we love doing? Because we are so conditioned, Julia, to live a certain way because we've got to pay our bills and everything's quadrupled and that done by design. And it's like break away from that insane asylum, hop the fence and start living your life rather than being lived because it's true. But I did the same, oh my God, I lost so much weight again last year. And I was like, you know what? I can't do this. And now I just do my hours. And it's not a career for me. It's just a job. Because what I want to do is do my writing, inspire people and empower people to live a far more fulfilled life than just a running around in this little sandbox or a al on a treadmill, on a burnt out treadmill. These days, people were crazy hours. I mean, it was bad prior to Covid, but now it's even worse.
Julia Carmen (23:24):
It's the same. I noticed that after this tap over there a little bit after Covid, I noticed that things opened up. People were coming around, hey, and then all of a sudden people start getting back to, I guess to what prior covid. And it just into high speed. I know. I thought, Ooh, what happened? And it looked like everybody was chilling, okay, I get this whole world thing and I am shifting, flipping, or whatever. They were looking for, what cut work you do, the work I do, and so on. And then all of a sudden gone. I mean, people were like, oh. Or even my students, they were like, oh, they were saying they were feeling overwhelmed, but nothing really had changed.
(24:17)
Julia Carmen (24:18):
Their Jobs haven't changed, which they all love. Nothing had changed. Just that whole, what you were talking about that what I call the over culture, the over culture is whatever culture here in the US could be the culture that's here that's saying this is the way it should be by design or whatever. And most people are going, no, but yeah, yeah. Or over there where you're at the over culture stating blah, blah, blah. So it's not just a certain group of people. It is a certain group of people with the same kind of thinking that say, this is the way it's going to go. And then everybody else just kind of follows through. And as you know, it's not just the physical realm and the non-physical realm. There's a frequency and vibration vibrating. And then like you said, that it's interesting that I love the way you say surfing because when I'm in and I'm at a retreat or doing something, everybody starts nudging themselves and they go, Ooh, Julia surfing again. And I go, really? And they go, yeah, you should see you. You just go, girl, we could tell when you're out there in a good way. Yeah. And I go, okay. Yeah. I call it the liquid light. Yeah.
Birgitta Visser (25:31):
Oh, I like that.
Julia Carmen (25:32):
Yeah. Yeah. I said, okay, I'm going to ride that liquid light. It's all here out there. Here. They're everywhere. Yeah. Like you said, in the galaxies of all that we're connected to, right. But we forget, like you said, Hey, I even got caught up in it like last year. What was that? And if you are connected as we all are, and if you're seeing, and I use the word see, not necessarily with the eyes like Yourself,
Julia Carmen (26:03):
You may get more wrapped up in it because you're in the soup of collective consciousness. Right? Boom. There you go. Sometimes I have folks ask me, Julie, do you ever, I say, oh, heck yeah, just please don't see me on a bad day. You may just like, what the hell is wrong with her? I said, trust me. No, no, no. I don't have this down. Nobody does. As long as you're in human form. But as long as you know that you have, this is the key. And I know from reading all your goodies here, most people don't know that they have free will, that they have choice.
Birgitta Visser (26:44):
Yep. People don't realize they have free will, but we do have free will. That's the beauty about life. We're creators. We're alchemists. I always call it divine alchemists. I work a lot with the ascended master, Saint Germaine. But yeah, I absolutely love it. My love his quirky sense of humor. He's helped me through some very, very dark times. But yeah, we have free will. We create the life that we want. We just cannot remember that we are manifesters, we energy, and we can weave that energy to what we want, so to speak, because what we think we create, and that's how powerful the mind is. We just don't realize it. And we can get into the realm of quantum physics, but I love it.
Julia Carmen (27:39):
Yes.
(27:40)
Yeah. Yeah. Einstein and all them fellows and whoever's out, females, males, it's all the nonphysical realm of being. It's for I people will go, what are you talking about? I said, okay, let me see. So it's nice to have those folks that are saying, Hey, blah, blah, blah. I said, well, quantum physics, is that you? I said, yeah, time. Boom, we made up time. There is no time. Then they go, oh. And I go, no, no. I said, science is behind. That's all I got to say. All of it. But it's nice to have them share that info for those folks that are in their heads. Human head, Human
Julia Carmen (28:23):
Brain. Yeah. Because it does devour absolutes. A scientist, if you talk to one scientist another, they're talking story, right? You ask the scientist, Hey, you know, what are you a hundred percent positive on that outcome? And they'll say, cannot. What do you mean? I'm a scientist? I could only say it's 99, 9, 9 0.9 9, 9 9 9. I can never say it's a hundred percent proof that it is what it is. That's how our brain is. And I have to share that with myself almost on a daily basis or hour to hour when I'm struggling about whatever it is that I'm struggling with, that I've made up in my head, and I know I have choice. And I go, oh, miha, in no bueno time right now you have a choice. What are you going to do? And then I do my best to, I call it match the medicine.
(29:19)
You're talking about some, it's kind of a metaphor, I guess. Yeah. So you're talking about your medicine, right? So when I work and talk story with people, I said, match your medicine because one medicine may not be what the other person is. They may not even jive to that. So match your medicine and feel it. So my medicine is blah, blah, blah. Yours is so-and-so, or a person or mentor, whatever. My mentors may not work out for anybody else but myself. It's all good. Yeah. So it's a challenge, but that whole thing about free will and knowing that you have choice in the moment and knowing that your brain is taking you on for, I like that. Taking you for a nice ride. And somehow or another stuck your good stuff in the trunk.
Birgitta Visser (30:08):
Yes. Well, they're living it up. The Mockingbird Tavern.
Julia Carmen (30:17):
Can you, okay. You have to explain that one. I have a feeling what you're talking about, but I want you to explain that I just met B today. Okay. But we're hitting marks with each other. I'm having so much fun with you. So go ahead, share.
Birgitta Visser (30:33):
Well, like I said about the ego and the mind colluding, and they're living it up in the Mockingbird Tavern, mocking that soul that's slammed, dunked in the trunk, gagged and bound. And until eventually it's like, Hey, the mind's sobering up. And the ego goes, oh, no, no, no. I got to keep the mind tipsy. But eventually the mind sobers up and it's like, oh, no, what am I doing? Why is the ego in the driver's seat? And he kicks the ego out of the driver's seat, and the mind gets up, opens the trunk and tells, takes off the gag and the bounds, and jumps up. And it's like, knock out. The ego is bound and G in the, and the mind's like, yeah, we've got to talk. All three of us need to sit down and talk and talk about our feelings and surrender and listen to one another and hold that space. We need to learn to love one another and to embrace one another. So let's talk it out.
Julia Carmen (31:50):
I love it. You have no idea how much I'm enjoying this. So you have these folks, all three of them together. Let's take a little further. I'm just playing here, right? I understand unconditional love of self first, and then it goes out there. So you got these three here that run every human being, depending on your level of consciousness, how much one is doing or not, right? Set up the stage, do a little ditty here for me,
Birgitta Visser (32:19):
Without the souls in the driver's seat and the mind's thinking. And you've got the ego there. And it's the ego that normally has the big mouth. Yeah. It judges everybody. It's opinionated. It compares to everyone and the like, yo, man, I just want a little love. Let's give on another little bit of love. And either like, what the hell, man? This is not what I signed up for, but okay, this is therapy session. And the mind just sits in between and thinks and talks to both because the mind ingests everything. And so they just talk it out. And the soul is like, you know what? I love you regardless of what you have done to me. And eventually I think the ego mellows out, and the soul can just embrace the ego as a friend, not a foe, and understands that, Hey, you know what? We are not separate. We're all just one, and we're just trying to do our best. And the mind can breathe and it releases everything that doesn't serve. It just releases everything that doesn't serve it.
Julia Carmen (33:40):
I love it. I was working with these kids. I love working with kids in that sea, what I call sea. They're Sears. I call 'em Sables. And I was sharing with them, sharing about with the ego, basically what you're talking about right now, they're young. They're like 10 to 14, 10 years old to 14. So the 14-year-old is like, and he was having challenges in school, and then he's looking at the board. I was writing up on the board, and he goes, that ego. And I go, yeah, what about the ego? He goes, I don't know. That ego looks like it gets us into a lot of trouble. And I said, yeah, it kind of does. I hadn't gone into what you're talking about. So which you just shared. And he goes, you know what, Julia? Can you help me get rid of the ego? And I thought, how smart? As soon as he recognized the ego, that's where I felt like it was the Wizard of Oz where the curtain got pulled back. And he said, oh, there's ego. And so then I won't go into it. But basically what I shared with him, with my own vernacular, with my own words, basically the same thing you just shared.
(34:57)
And then he goes, oh, I can't get rid of it. I said, as long as you're in a human body. No, but let's talk story about how we could all just kind of get along here. And then we went on and I talked to his mother years later. He's already in college and stuff like that. She said that piece there really helped him. See what people try to do. They try to get rid of the ego. I'm just squash it, need to get rid of it. I need to put it, keep it in the trunk. And no, that's not what love is. It's not about loving the actions. It's about recognizing, like you said, the feelings that are around there, the emotions. And it's not about hanging in those feelings and emotions and build a castle over it. It's, there's a little campfire here. Let's talk about what's going on. It looks like you're in pain. Hey, I love you. I love the way you said that. Love, love, love. It's about unconditional love. Because the sold self of being is eternal, has no beginning, no and correct coated with the most amazing, juicy information for each individual specifically. So that that's not going to hurt us. And neither is the ego. But if you have all of those folks working together, Hey, wow,
(36:24)
Yeah, we're going to have days. I don't care. It doesn't matter who you are. The most of wonderful mentors I've had all my life, whether they're physical or non-physical, especially the physical ones. I've seen them where I go, oh, wow. I said, damn, then I'll have my, in the past, an individual. And I said, what was that all about? And I said, oh, you thought I was perfect? Yeah. And I said, oh, I'm sorry. No, sorry, Julia. You just need to know that no Uhuh don't get the message mixed up with the messenger.
Birgitta Visser (37:00):
Correct.
Julia Carmen (37:01):
And I said, oh, okay. Sounds good to me. Yeah. So I've had some messengers that were, I didn't like them. I didn't work with them, but the message was fantastic. So I just kind of separated them. I just didn't hit it off with the messenger. I just kind of, yeah. But somehow or another she speaking truth in that way, and I'm going to listen to that and take that and go over here. Yeah.
(37:28)
Again, I'm talking about in my younger days when I was still just trying to figure out what this human existence was all about. The other non-physical realms of being is very comfortable for, I was, like I said, born like this, but being in the human realm was like, what? No, I don't like this. This is very unpleasant, because you talked about we won't get into too much that you have trauma. And we talked in childhood, and I think if one is a human, everyone has had some kind of something, something. It doesn't matter. It does matter what it is, but it doesn't at the same time, if staying there, staying in the trauma for the rest of your life or whatever is what, yeah. I used to have a nonprofit, had that for about 20 years, way back when. And I remember folks that would come through the center, and it was about families, the family healing structure and the whole thing.
(38:30)
And I remember sitting with folks that were like 60, 70, 80 years old, and they would start sharing with me about, because we'd have to do an intake kind of thing, and they would sharing a story with me. And really, there was one particular gal. I thought, oh my goodness, I had a lot of compassion, not that I wouldn't have otherwise. And I said, wow, what did this happen? I'm so sorry. And she goes, oh, that happened 30 years ago. But it felt like it happened just a month ago, and she had arthritis. It was really severe. I just sat in my office and I went, wow. I just sat for a while and just kind of talked to my nonphysical folks, and they just said, that's what it looks like when we hold on to past. And I go, wow. So her whole body was responding to that witch as if it was happening in the moment.
(39:30)
The body not, it wasn't happening. Like you said, it can't happen. Nobody was there hurting her in that moment. I was there with her. So I was like, oh, wow. So that's why it's so important for us to stay present as often and as once we understand that we have choice, but we can run into the scare ourselves. I call it get a mirror and just scream into it. Yes, absolutely. Yes. Or go In the past, I could do that. I think all of us could sit around commiserate. I have six sisters. I grew up with a lot of commiserating, and it was in Spanish, and I don't know, in Mexico. They said, come on, let's go. Let's have some coffee and let's gossip. And it's a tongue and cheek kind of thing. And we use it now. My siblings and I use it now just to visit, Hey, let's visit. Let's have some coffee and visit. But when we were younger, it definitely was gossiping about each other, not anybody else. We had a built-in gossiping sisters. So in past and future, the body does not heal. It stays in suspended pain. Yes. Right?
(40:54)
Absolutely. In human years. How old are you? Because you look very young. When I saw, oh,
Birgitta Visser (41:01):
That's really nice of you, Julie, how you think?
Julia Carmen (41:04):
I have no idea. I'm not good with that, but you're telling me about your business and this and that. I go, wait a minute, I, I'm actually
Birgitta Visser (41:14):
50 in June.
Julia Carmen (41:15):
No.
Birgitta Visser (41:16):
Yes, I know. People are like, what? No, I am. Yes. I turned 50 in June. Don't feel it. I'm still very healthy, very, very active. I still feel like I'm in my thirties anyway. I think just age is just a number.
Julia Carmen (41:31):
I agree. I agree. Totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Honest to goodness, I'm sure people say about 35, late thirties maybe. Yeah. Okay. Another question, if you don't want to keep this one in, do you have children?
Birgitta Visser (41:45):
No, I don't. I have a dog. Never been married. See, that's why. Yeah. I'll tell you something though. As a part of my life is like I've been in so many, not many. I've been in several very toxic relationships.
Julia Carmen (42:02):
Oh God. Yeah.
Birgitta Visser (42:03):
But I chose that. I chose that for my soul's growth. And
(42:08)
I am so thankful for everyone that's been a part of my life. I love them. I have no bitterness because I chose these characters in my playbook of life. And I'm still in touch with one of my exes. He's doing very, very well. I was actually my twin flame, but twin flames don't always end up together, and I don't like using the wording, but it's just one of these things. But he's doing very well for himself now. And I love the fact that he's overcome his own traumas, but he was a catalyst to starting my healing journey and following the holistic route. And without that, I would still have been just climbing the career ladder. And he will always be a part of my life, and I'm forever grateful. And that doesn't mean I'm not going through lessons experiences now because I am, but I'm far more conscious of them.
(43:10)
And I reel back my power and sit in my power. So I, rather than sitting in that victimhood, I understand the experience and I can just get over it quicker. It doesn't take me months. It will take me like a day or half an hour, and I'll be okay. But it's the power of forgiveness. Forgiveness and compassion, and just understanding that we are all reflections of one another. We're all teachers of one another. And we're all here as Archangel Michael always says, we're all here to walk one another back home to that love for ourselves and each other. But actually, I do love working with Archangel Michael.
(43:56)
I love him. He is a rebel. He's fun. He's like, he's like a jack. The lad you have a beer with. I don't drink, but he's that tight. He's quite funny. But I live during my day, daytime. I'm like a Clark Kent. And at night, I'm like a super girl because I'm in the astro planes and I'm helping tons of souls, and I do a lot of healing work. And I love the way Archangel Michael works, and I don't see him as a wink. No, sorry. Sorry. Don't see him like that at all. But he's very really, really powerful. I love the way he heal with the light codes and his sword. I can't even explain. I can't even explain that. Who did I see the other day was Hanman, the Indian? You call him the monkey. God, he doesn't really look like that. But I went up there. I needed to ask him some questions. And the more I reside up there, the more I begin to understand. So I love it. But then the problem is I don't really want to come back, but I have to wake up.
Julia Carmen (45:14):
I totally understand everything you said. Beautiful. No, yeah, so true. So true. The school, the school without walls, walking in both worlds. That's the whole thing. Walking in both worlds consciously and a way. What you just shared is that, and I know you've seen folks like this, nothing on anyone. It goes both ways. So there's folks that do not come back from that realm of what you're talking about. Hang there with Michael and JC and all them guys. Those guys are going, Hey, you need to go now. And they're go, no, no, no. I like it here. And they go, no, no, no. You're in human form. You got to go do whatever. But we have a choice. So we choose to stay there. And I have folks where I go, I don't attract those folks anymore. But I remember going, huh, that's interesting. I would say, why don't you come over here and hang out with the humans from an, oh, no, I like it out here.
(46:13)
And I said, well, that can be a little bueno. You have to be in your body. You have to come here if you're here. And then some folks, and I think this is more where folks are staying in the physical realm, like that client I shared with you in the nonprofit where she was still in the pain of 30 years, and her body was showing that she was in her body way too much and not allowing that beautiful, loving soul to come in and be part of the healing of her. So it's that balance and being awake in that being, and I really do what you said, oh, I just want to stay here. But you have a level of consciousness in the human realm to say, you know what? I still need to go over here. I need to go to this job over here so that I can do, right? Yeah. Until I
(47:05)
Know, I know some people will go, oh my gosh, I need to go and sell everything. I say, well, yeah, maybe. I don't know. I don't know. No, but maybe you might want to check this, that, or whatever. I've made some huge shifts in my life, physical like, move here or whatever. And folks go, you're moving where all by yourself. And somehow or another, they really do. They think I was just a boom, right? I said, oh, no, no, no. I've checked all the other human aspects of it. How am I going to support myself? I've checked all that out. I didn't just like, I'm going to go over here and Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. You got to have both balance Of
Julia Carmen (47:51):
Those two worlds and be awake to both of those worlds, because they're both very important. But it is quite alluring to, because I love those folks that are showing up for you because they are of unconditional love. And when you talk about Michael, yeah, he don't mess around. No, he doesn't mess around. Come.
Birgitta Visser (48:24):
Absolutely. And it's true. Many people who channel all of these beings, some of them will channel them very seriously. And for me, it's like to me, they come with their jokes and ingest, and even though their messages will often have a serious undertone, they do it with a lot of, as they call it. Say that again, that's French. It's like a joyful life. I like that. They all have a sense of humor. A different sense of humor.
Julia Carmen (49:06):
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. I'd like to share something with you. One of my last human mentors is Hall. I hung out in Hawaii. I hang out there often, and I met him around the same HUR, and we studied for a little bit. He's known in the community of the Hawaiians and so on. But anyway, so during Covid, he and a bunch of his compositors, that's what I call 'em in the non-physical realm, okay, you're not going to go out, so we're going to come teach you here. And I had a little studio in Montana by Glacier. I hung out there. And so I was by myself, and he'd come in and they'd do all these teachings and so on, and I go, okay, okay, okay. Yeah. And then they're going to be leaving. Okay, Julia, we're going to go now. We got to go do blah, blah.
(49:52)
And like, oh, shucks, man, I just go with you guys. I got the covid. I died, and I can just go with you guys because it was so cool, right? And he looked at me, he goes, oh, no, no, no, no, it's not your time. Oh, man, dude. He goes, no, not your time, man. Not your time. Soon enough, soon enough mi, you'll go, you didn't use the word me. How about soon enough? You'll go, oh, okay, okay. And then one day he turned around and he looked at me. He goes, you know what? I thought he was going to share something more insightful than what he's going to share. He goes, you know what? Enjoy, right? And I go, yeah, yeah, enjoy. He goes, you know what I miss? And I go, what do you miss? He goes, I miss the food. He was a big foodie. Anybody that knew him knew that. I did not expect that. And then he goes, I'll catch it tomorrow. I go, oh God. And every time I share that with somebody that knew him, they go, oh, shucks. Yeah. So anytime I get kind of melancholy for that native be right, I go, oh, yeah, I'll have a little bit of something. Something. Yeah, Yeah,
Julia Carmen (51:04):
Yeah. So his office was the volcano, the crater, not the active one. Yeah. That's where we used to go in the physical realm and talk the story. He asked a lot of questions. I don't miss him because I hang with him, but when he left, I kind of went, well, farts in a bucket. He goes, well, you can still go to Volcano. I said, she don't like females, and it's true. The volcano loves men. My ex is Hawaiian. So my sons, one of my sons lives in Hawaii. So I said, Hey, Luca, when I lived there, I go, Hey, babe, we got to go to Volcano. He goes, oh, do I got to come with you? He goes, yeah, she don't like women. You know that. I said, I've been bringing a Hawaiian, she'd be busy talking story with you while I go do what I need to do. He goes, oh my God. Okay. He would come with me and just kind of hang, and then I would do whatever I needed to do, ceremony or something. And then we'd leave and he'd go, oh gosh, mom. I go, well, we heard. I got respect for each other, but
(52:11)
I know this is her island. This is her house. And I respect that. Yeah. Yeah. I hear you. I love that You are very grounded, and your boundaries are phenomenal, which is those of you folks that are listening, folks that do the work that you do, B by boundaries are very important.
Birgitta Visser (52:40):
Yes. I sometimes do let them slip. I have
Julia Carmen (52:43):
Let them slip. Maybe in the past, but I'm just sharing with you, they're nice and solid.
Birgitta Visser (52:51):
No,
Julia Carmen (52:52):
Yeah. And you don't let anybody in your lane is what I call it. No.
(52:57)
Yeah. Which I think is great boundaries. In the past way in the past, people would come in and they'd start approaching me, oh, oh, no, no, no, no, don't get near me. And I would say it out loud and I'd go, I said, you don't have good. I would just say it. I would call it, you don't have good boundaries, and if you get into my space, I may have to hurt you. And they didn't understand what I meant. I wasn't going to physically hurt them, but they would definitely feel my and energy push back, and then they would just pull back. But that doesn't happen anymore at all. At all. So I know folks, and you definitely have amazing boundaries that I, walking both worlds at the same time, being conscious of them both and respecting them both, and understanding that which is that free will and having choice, will you share with folks about your books?
Birgitta Visser (53:56):
So the first one, becoming Authentically Me, I started writing that in probably 1999 or 2000, and then I stopped. I had so many more traumatic experiences to go through, and then when Covid hit, my guides were like, excuse me, can you please finish writing the book? And I was like, what? No, I don't have time for that. I just started a new job remotely. They said, can you please sit down and write it? I was like, okay. Then. Then it was like this nudge, this nudge, this constant nagging. And I sat down and I started writing, and it would be the middle of the night. Early in the morning, I'd get channeled messages. And it was a very healing experience for me as well, because the first part is all about the conscience shift. And so it's a lot of channeled information from the Anki to Atlanta to Laia to why everything happened in the World goes back to World War II as well, and Antarctica, what goes on there.
(55:10)
Also, all the, there's a whole network of tunnels, but it's also, yes, they channeled about covid and why it happened. And then the second part is all about my life and all the trauma I've overcome. I discuss depression, mental health and wellbeing. I used to starve myself because that was something I could control. I used to work like crazy because that was something that I could control as well, because I was abused as a kid. So I talk about that. I talk about the death of my dad. When I turned just 14, the bullying in high school and the immense fear of voice that I had, it was so ingrained within me, my drug hell, which took me several months to get out of. After my stepdad had passed away from cancer, I was assaulted in the modeling industry in New York. I traveled the world.
(56:11)
I've moved more times than my age. I bartended. I was a hostess. I worked in the corporate world. Gosh, I've done everything. You can put me in the desert, Julian. I'll still be working because that's just my attitude. And yeah, of course, because I was so broken. I attracted many broken birds because that's exactly the energy that I vibed out. So that's what I got in return. But I needed that. I needed those experiences to learn about myself and to start loving myself more. I rejected myself. I hated myself. So I really talk about that, and I touch upon that. And as he said, ma St. Germaine said, Brita, you suffered from imposter syndrome. And I'm like, what the heck is that? So I had to look that up, and it was very, very interesting. It's infused with many channeled messages of the many, many masters, and even the galactic beings, the Collegians talk very much about love. And I'm like, I'm not going to write that. Oh, yes, you're got to sit down and write about it.
(57:24)
I talk about my past lives. I talk about who I am, where I'm from. I've lived many past lives and don't think I was a goodie. Two shoes. Oh my goodness. No, I've done some terrible things. But that's duality. You lift the flip side of the coin, and that's how you learn. It's been a wondrous, I mean, that book has been a wondrous journey. It was a big book, but it needed to be published. It's a little bit out there, as I always say, but many people have come back to me and they're like, oh my God. It's like it's encoded with healing. And so I didn't write it for me. I wrote it for the people out there and hope that maybe it will spark something within them and awaken them to what life is all about. Is that the book? That one's already out. That one's already out. The one, yep. The second one.
(58:27)
The second one is called Become Empowered, which is a collaboration book with 12 or 13 other authors, and comes out on the 24th of April. Yeah, 20, 24. Okay. Yes. 24 4. 24. That's really funny. Yes. Right. See how that works. So I mean, even then my guides were like, yeah, you're going to do this. I'm like, do you understand how busy I am? Well, you're just going to sit down and do it. And I did. And it was 2,600 words. And yeah, we'll see how that one goes. But again, to empower other people, that there is actually more to life and that we can each overcome our trauma, and that there is no need. I mean, suffering is not meaningless. It is about reevaluating our lives, surrendering to the feelings, and analyzing them, and understanding that we have the power and the capacity within us to heal all wounds, because we create our experiences. And just because things happen to us when we are younger, it is still our responsibility when we grow older to heal from that.
Julia Carmen (01:00:02):
Yes. We didn't come here to just exist. We came here for more than that. Yeah,
Birgitta Visser (01:00:07):
Absolutely. You know what Saint Germaine always tells us, us. He's like, you're here to return to a love for yourselves and each other. That's what life is all about, love.
Julia Carmen (01:00:22):
And this is the place to do it. This is this solar system, this planet here is the unconditional love of self first. And then moves out into that space of being self. And then out there, sometimes people, when they hear well, the unconditional love, they have this thinking, oh, you mean I have to love so-and-so unconditionally? I go, not necessarily. I said, it's about you. What do you mean? I said, loving yourself unconditionally, trusting yourself unconditionally and the rest piece of cake. But if we're constantly looking at ourselves like you just said with all this, whatever, and we're not friends or loving on that, which is already here, which is your movement of this time and space, then we just keep perpetrating on ourselves.
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Birgitta Visser (01:01:26):
Yes, We do.
Julia Carmen (01:01:27):
When I was looking at reading your goodies, a website's beautiful.
Birgitta Visser (01:01:34):
Thank You.
Julia Carmen (01:01:36):
I thought of that movie that I saw a long time ago, Jim Carrey, and I don't know if you ever, it's an old one. Liar. Liar.
Birgitta Visser (01:01:45):
Oh yeah, liar. Yes. I remember
Julia Carmen (01:01:47):
That. When he goes into the bathroom and he's trying to get out of being the lawyer, that's going to lie, right? Yes. At that scene where he beats himself up. Right.
Birgitta Visser (01:02:00):
I remember that.
Julia Carmen (01:02:01):
Yeah. Because when I saw that I couldn't stop laughing. I literally almost peed my pants because I could relate. Because a person walks in and he says something like, what? Haven't you ever seen somebody beat the shit out of themselves? Something like that. That's what we do in our heads. We do. Yeah. Right. It's like, what the heck? Right? I dunno. Am I just hallucinating that, right?
Birgitta Visser (01:02:30):
Yep. Yeah.
Julia Carmen (01:02:31):
Beat ourselves up like that. And he visually brought it to the screen in a way that I never thought I would ever see. So I thought, okay, Jim, I love you. So it's all about us, but it's not. But it is, but it's not. But it truly is. But really it's not, but it is kind of deal. So I get a kick out of that one over and over kind of plays.
Birgitta Visser (01:02:56):
Yeah, we do. We beat ourselves up continuously. We do. And it's just, do you know why I always say it's because it's so ingrained within society. We're so technologically well advanced, you would say social media, everyone's got their phones. I mean, people are phone addicts these days, and it's like, I don't really care too much about social media, but people are addicted to these things, and it's deviating away from their own awareness. It's like you get into the train, and I know this in the uk, and everyone's just on their phone or on their tablets. You go into a restaurant, the bestest buddies right next to their plate, the phone.
Julia Carmen (01:03:39):
Yeah. Because of my traveling and stuff, I've mentioned it all the time. I have a big family, five adult children. They produce 26, 27 grandchildren and 13. Great. Wow. So yeah, I know. So I loved the gatherings we had, and for a long time, I never allowed cell phones in the house. I said, okay, everybody put 'em away. But then I came back from, I think it was after Covid, came back from Montana, came back to Pacifica, which is about 15 minutes south of San Francisco on the coast, beautiful here. And I thought, cool. We're going to have Thanksgiving and the whole bed. We all kind of congregated and talk story and laughed and giggled. I mean, there's like 50 of us. So we're having a great time, and then all of a sudden everything's quiet. I mean, really quiet. And they're going, hi, what's going on?
(01:04:33)
I come into the front room and everyone's on their phone, and I got real sad, big time, sad. And I almost started crying. I said, what the heck? And I just looked at everybody and I didn't know what to say. We're talking about grown people. My ex, he was here, and it was just like, because still friends and all that stuff. So I went, I went downstairs and I sat there. I didn't cry. I just kind of went, oh, and I'm talking to my folks, my nonphysical folks, and they said, yeah. And I said, huh. And that's all. I didn't engage in it at all and didn't scold them or anything like that. I just went, wow. Huh. And that was it, because they're grown people. They're your age. So I'm like, well, my eldest, he's going to be 54 this year, and so on and so on. We started young, but I'm like, huh. So it is that movement of how do we, it's an addiction. That's why it's so important that your message at your books, your work. Yeah, sure. Mine also, but I'm talking story with you and you're in that state of being. That's why there's all that urgency that you feel to get the books out. orp, your nonphysical peeps are like, Hey, hey, Chacha, wake up. Come on, let's get going. Don't worry. All you got to do is channel. Yeah. We're giving you the words and don't worry about it. We got you. And that's why that is.
Birgitta Visser (01:06:17):
I know you
Julia Carmen (01:06:18):
Know that, right? Yeah.
Birgitta Visser (01:06:19):
I do know that. Do you think this is my last book after this one comes out? No, it isn't. Oh, they've got more lined up. Of course they do. Are you kidding? Oh. Oh my gosh. It's like right now I feel like I'm in a vacuum and it's like, oh, just wait. Brigida, don't worry. You don't worry. You're going to see what's going to happen. I'm like, you know what? I'll stay in this vacuum for a little while longer. Yeah, you can feel it, right? It's really weird. It's something's going to happen. I don't know what it is, but in the meantime, I'm just doing my healing work. It's one of the reasons I came to Spain to heal and to transform and just to retreat within myself because I really needed to heal after doing crazy tune times last year. And when I moved to Spain in October, I was sick as a pig, sick as a pig. I got on the plane with a flu, like the tail end of the flute.
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And when I got to the house here, it was filthy and grease. It was disgusting. I couldn't even stay here. It was a rental. And I mean, now it's fine. But yeah, it took me two days to really scrub it all clean, whereas they should have cleaned it for me. But yeah, there were some other things that were wrong, but eventually I settled in and now I'm just coming back to me. And it's what's so funny. I mean, I don't even chase people anymore. I just leave them be in the past. And I think what we do as we grow up, and many people can relate to this, it's like it doesn't matter if it's interpersonal relationships or just romantic relationships, you name it. But we always chase people. We think we know what's best for them, but we need to let others walk their journey.
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As much as we need to walk our own journey and we need to accept one another as we are, and if we do not see eye to eye, it's okay. We can't all vibrate at that same level of consciousness because otherwise we couldn't learn. Duality would not exist, and that's the only way that we're going to learn. But I was a people pleaser to a t to, oh my goodness, people could just roll all over me. It was really, really bad. I really had to learn the hard way that if you walk to the ends of the earth for somebody, you're going to get scorched. Right? You're going to get burned to a crisp because you're trying to help someone and save someone, but you need to help yourself and save yourself. Right. You need to fix your own broken wings.
Julia Carmen (01:09:04):
Yeah, exactly. I, I did a podcast with the girl, and she uses the Phoenix is part of her. And that, when you said that, I have another phoenix here, because you could get scorched and burned, but it's a choice whether you want to move into the next state of being. And that's what you're saying as far as what I'm hearing is you moved to Spain and you said, I mean, most of the time we don't need to move somewhere, but if we're the type of person that sees folks and we go, oh my goodness. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Because people say, why did you move to Montana? You didn't know anybody. And my peep said, you're going to be there for three years. I found a place right away, cute little studio, blah, blah, blah. And I said, because I don't know how to say no to my family.
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I just don't mean if they're there. This will give me, it's a little bit of a jump to go from Whitefish, Montana to the Bay Area or Hawaii. So I said, I need it this time. And it is like the best thing I ever did, ever. And so I'm like, okay, people are not happy that I did that. I have a family. And they felt kind of like, you left us. And I'm like, yeah, kind of. I guess I did, but I wasn't there. I didn't know where you folks began. And then I ended or whatever. I was starting to feel like a victim. And I'm thinking, oh no, I know that frequency. I'm not a victim. There is no victim part of me here or No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. So the interesting part is when you said, I didn't know you were in Spain. Me, huh. And I'm planning on going to Italy at the end of this year and hanging there for a few months.
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Oh, wow. Yeah. I was supposed to go last year, but I have some dental work that I'm getting done, and then I got the covid. You guys don't want me to go now? What the heck? They said, no, no, no, you're still going to go. And I go, okay, sounds like a good one to me. I wanted to go to Spain. That was my first, yeah, that was my first thought. And then they shifted it to Italy. I have a friend that's there, and he rents out little studios and stuff. And I kind went, oh, okay. I've never been to the UK or Italy, Spain. I've never been there. I've never had the, I need to go over there. But I'm going, huh, okay. I don't think too much about stuff about where I need to go. I just kind of listen and then I move. Right. Then I do my thing. Yeah. My children, my adult children, my ex, my family, they don't really understand why I do that. I have had medical problems. Most people that would keep them where they need to be, but mine are not. My medical stuff has nothing to do with the physical realms of being. I know where they come from. So I just work through them. I go, okay, we're going to, okay, I'm not seeing that. I'm not breathing again. B, no, I'm serious.
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When I get that call, you breathe Julia. Oh, God, yes. Okay. You know? You know the word, they use the word suto, right? In Spanish. It can be used in many different ways. I don't know how they use it in Spain, but in Mexico, when somebody says, I, it's, it's beyond fear. It's a terror. And so when that happens to us whenever, however, sometimes we don't know what's happening until our body starts going. Right. And so I kind of experience that and I go, oh, it sounds like you did too, Miha. And you kind of go, oh, shucks, I need to do this.
Birgitta Visser (01:13:11):
Yes.
Julia Carmen (01:13:12):
So moving to Spain is your medicine. See what
Birgitta Visser (01:13:16):
Yes. Right now? Yes.
Julia Carmen (01:13:18):
Yeah. Right. Yeah. So you're matching your medicine with the realm of where you move in time and space. Because some folks said, why do you have to go here? Why do you have to go? I said, because I'm going to match my medicine. I'm going to where my medicine is, and this is not where I can do it. And I'm very aware that because of who I am in the human realm, and I don't see everything in the consciousness of the human being, I need to get some perspective on my human self. And they'll go, what are you talking about? I said, no, it's okay. No worries, no worries. You don't need to understand. Just let me do my thing.
Birgitta Visser (01:13:56):
Yep, yep. Absolutely. For me, it was just time to go. They were like, it's time to go. Well, I said, then find me something. And I just packed up. And when I found something, I mean, I won't be staying in this home. I'll find something else. But when the timing is right, find another rental. And will I be staying in Spain? No, I won't be staying in Spain. But for the interim, it's fine.
Julia Carmen (01:14:20):
Well, maybe by the end of the year, we'll both know. And I would love to meet cafe at the end of the year. Yeah, that would be nice. If you're still in Spain, I hear you at least. Yeah, I'll still be here. I'll still be here. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm going to winter, but with hay, I can only go for three months. Somebody says, you can already go for three months. And I go, yeah. And they go, that's a long time. I said, not really.
Birgitta Visser (01:14:53):
Not really. But it's so weird. It's just so weird because it makes no sense. Because you could stay three months in Italy and three months in Spain, three months in France.
Julia Carmen (01:15:04):
Right.
Birgitta Visser (01:15:05):
And then you could drive there and they wouldn't even know you're there. There no waters. Yeah, exactly. It makes zero sense. One thing they said, because I had to learn. So I overstate my welcome in the US
(01:15:25)
Because I sold my home to get away from another ex in Florida who was so clingy, lost his mom, he was depressed. He had a reckless, and he was trying to salvage the relationship with me. He was clinging on for dear life, and he moved from an hour away to two doors down from me. And it was terrible. I mean, he had no money. I paid his bills. I tried looking for jobs for him. I was working seven days a week myself, and I was in this constant fight or flight mode. It was terrible. It was terrible. And I couldn't get rid of him, and I was trying to be nice, and he wouldn't return my keys. I felt like a prisoner in my own home. So I sold my home. My mom said, why didn't you come back? I said, no, I feel like a failure.
(01:16:19)
So I bought another property. I mean, I had requests for an extension of my six month visa. It came more than a year later sometime, and I'd already moved, and it was just messy. And finally did get the letter, but then I decided to go anyway, and the house that I was in was a money pit. So I overstate my welcome and I take responsibility for that. But as Saint Germaine always says, but all these different countries, all these different borders, there's such division, and we're all, I mean, physically we may seem different. Yeah, we're all different. But the light within each of us is the same. So is there any difference between any of us? No, there isn't. Because we're all one.
Julia Carmen (01:17:15):
Exactly. Well, you'll love the title of my book that I too am like the Indigenous Soul. Oh yeah.
(01:17:23)
I've been writing that book for good over 10 years. That's alright. That's alright. Yeah. But I hear you miha because one day, oh, last year sometime I went, okay, I need to get my shut together. So there's this little place down the coast that I love to go, and I'm sitting there and I went there for three days and no phones, no nothing. It can't get reception there. That's why I go there. Then I'm sitting there and every morning I wake up and they go, I'm saying, what do I need to do next? They go the book. Oh, shut up. So I go for walks and this and that, come back, dah, dah, take that. I'm just really pampering my beautiful human self. Go to sleep, wake up the second day, I do the same thing again. Have a really nice time by myself. I'm just enjoying it.
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The ocean, everything. Go to sleep. Yeah. I'm leaving that day, I think. And then I wake up and the only thing they say is the book. They're also surrounding there. And I'm like, my friend goes, she lives in Ireland, and her name's Julia. And I said, Hey. She goes, what happened? I said, and I told her the same thing I told her. She goes, I kind of figured they were Julia. I kind of figured they were going to tell you that. Yeah. What you were sharing was Yeah. And you listened me, huh? I mean, you listened and you did, right? Yes. I'm doing it. I've been writing. I'm still writing. Because yeah, there's a lot going on there. And that's all we can do.
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Listen, and then do listen and then do, and then the work. It's not magic. I know you understand this mha. You're not the magic those folks sitting in front of, you're the magic. Then that connection, the self, the magic is when they hear that, which is truth, not your truth, my truth or whatever, but the truth, the truth of all the great I am, and whomever comes to us in the nonphysical realm. To me, JC and Michael and all them folks, they all come to me. They look to me like they're solid. Yeah. They don't look like anything. They don't see, I get it. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So when I say non-physical, because most people say, who are you talking about? And I go, yeah. So they come to us not to tell us what to do or force us to do anything. They understand the free will, and so we have choice, but doggone it, I love that they're part of my life.
(01:20:04)
I love that they're part of so many folks, and you are one extraordinary human being. A person that most people, what I call is we're all like humans, and we're all, I would say, yeah, we're cool, but when we see that witch is what we need to do in this world, this planet, wherever we come from, whether we're from this solar system or other solar systems that come here to be part of the all, as soon as we see that, then the extraordinary person of that witch is within walking both worlds at the same time. That's what comes out. And then everybody sees, oh my gosh, she's a genius. Or She's this, she's that. No, you're speaking truth. When you speak truth, it's extraordinary. And I wish it wasn't extraordinary, but it is because this whole world here looks at that as woo woo, like you said, I don't like woo woo or whatever, when that is the natural state of being, of who we are. I know I'm sharing, you already understand this, but I'm hoping folks out there understand that it's not woo woo. It's our birthright.
Birgitta Visser (01:21:22):
Yes, it's, and considering that we only use 3% of our brains, oh, there's so much more.
Julia Carmen (01:21:33):
We could do this all day. I'm not kidding. I'm looking at the time and I'm going, cheese Louise, we did some good time here. So
Birgitta Visser (01:21:44):
Can I just say something? I have conversations with God, source energy, and I asked him one question. I mean, I've asked him, I've asked this energy a lot of questions, and I asked him, well, listen, why do some people think you're a man? And he goes, well, listen, I am not some figure of authority as per the manmade fabricated stories that have been blown into the earthly realms of existence. Uhuh, nor am I, that grand man with a long white beard sitting on the throne of heaven, martini cocktail, serving the clouds stars accruing along the of Sunshine Lane.
Julia Carmen (01:22:25):
You're talking about JC or Michael? No, this is source. Oh, source. Oh, no, right on everything you said. So thank you so much for being on this show. Really. I thoroughly enjoyed this. It is and will continue to be. One of my editors always leaves our conversations with to be continued. I don't know if that's a right.
Birgitta Visser (01:22:56):
That's nice.
Julia Carmen (01:22:57):
Yes. To be continued. Yes, why not continue? And I said, okay, Miha. I like that. Yeah. So is there anything you would like to say as closing,
Birgitta Visser (01:23:08):
Well ending? I always say, what will I say? Well, live your life. Don't allow yourself to be lived and always be true to the you in you, regardless of what other people may think of you. It doesn't matter. It really matters what you think of you. So follow your heart and dance to the tune of your own soul and of your own heartbeat.
Julia Carmen (01:23:35):
Amen to that. Mihi, thank you so much for being on the show.
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